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Although both The Iliad and Oedipus the King portray humans with very little control of their lives, in The Iliad the gods have some of the control, but are subservient to the power of fate and their biggest role in the story is to be an object of blame. This is contrasted by the view of power in Oedipus the king where the gods are much more involved and help carry out the Fates’ will, despite the human’s wishes, and this difference affects the thematic differences because Homer places more of the blame on humans while Sophocles gives humans less power and therefore less responsibility for their actions.
In the Iliad, the gods do have some control, but not as much as the humans think they do. When he is killing Hektor, Achilleus says,
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After Hektor’s death, his mother wails that “death and fate have closed in upon” him (Homer, 22) and his wife calls him “ill-fated” (Homer, 23). They seem to both accept that his death was not as much a matter of his personal strength or the god’s will, but of fate. This mysterious force that controls all is strange because even though it seems so powerful, it is not as often mentioned. The story is filled with praise given to the gods and prayers. Fate seems to be opposite of the gods- rarely acknowledged by humans, but capable of effecting their lives more. It is also unable to be bribed by sacrifices (fate seems to have no interest in cow thighs), it cannot be changed, and it is above the gods. The power of fate over the gods is most clearly portrayed in a glimpse of a counsel with Athena and Zeus. Zeus, the most powerful of all the gods, wishes to rescue Hektor, but Athena stops him by saying, “Do you wish to bring back a man who is mortal, one long since doomed by his destiny, from ill-sounding death to release him?” (Homer, 16). By referring to Hektor’s fate, she stops Zeus. If the king of all the gods can not challenge fate, how could a mortal? Homer’s answer is that nothing can stop fate. While this is almost comforting because in many respects it is better to live under the …show more content…
About his journey to Corinth, Oedipus remarks, “I the Oedipus who stumbled here without a hint, could snuff her out by human wit, not taking cues from birds” (Sophocles, 23). The birds that he referred to were a common way to tell the future. By ignoring them and trusting his own instincts to leave town and later defeat the monster, he defies the fate that the oracle predicts and tries to take his destiny into his own hands. The futility of this is illustrated in a later quote, where he says, “Oh, I fled from there, I measured out the stars to put all heaven in between the land of Corinth and such a damned destiny. And as I went, I stumbled on the very spot where this king you say has met his end” (Sophocles, 44). Oedipus thinks that his journey from Thebes was defying the prophecy and an act of freewill, but it is actually the journey ends up fulfilling the prophecy. The language about the stars is important, because the stars were a way to predict the future. Even though he is only using them to navigate, he is still dependent on the sky, and symbolically fate. While he is trying to escape his horrible destiny, he is trapped and cannot. This shows a key difference in the worldview of Homer’s characters because Hektor and Achilles seemed very open to letting heaven and the fates determine their will, while Sophocles’ characters are fighting it. This is the result of
Many times in life, people think they can determine their own destiny, but, as the Greeks believe, people cannot change fate the gods set. Though people cannot change their fate, they can take responsibility for what fate has brought them. In the story Oedipus, by Sophocles, a young king named Oedipus discovers his dreadful fate. With this fate, he must take responsibility and accept the harsh realities of what’s to come. Oedipus is a very hubris character with good intentions, but because he is too confident, he suffers. In the story, the city of Thebes is in great turmoil due to the death of the previous king, Laius. With the thought of helping his people, Oedipus opens an investigation of King Laius’s murder, and to solve the mystery, he seeks advice from Tiresias, a blind prophet. When Laius comes, Oedipus insists on having the oracle told to all of Thebes showing no sign of hesitation or caution. This oracle states that he will kill his father and marry his mother. Oedipus must learn to deal with his terrible and appalling fate the way a true and honorable king would. Because...
Compare and contrast the part that the city or state (polis) plays in Antigone and Oedipus The King.
won) fighting a war against the city of Troy and has been held captive by
The ancient Greeks were fond believers of Fate. Fate, defined according to Webster’s, is “the principle or determining cause or will by which things in general are believed to come to be as they are or events to happen as the do.” The Greeks take on Fate was slightly modified. They believed that the gods determined Fate: “…fate, to which in a mysterious way the gods themselves were subject, was an impersonal force decreeing ultimate things only, and unconcerned with day by day affairs.” It was thought that these gods worked in subtle ways; this accounts for character flaws (called harmatia in Greek). Ancient Greeks thought the gods would alter a person’s character, in order for that person to suffer (or gain from) the appropriate outcome. Such was the case in Oedipus’s story.
This opinion is made fact among the mortals when Nestor reminds Diomedes that, “no man can beat back the purpose of Zeus, not even one very strong, since Zeus is by far the greater,” (8.143-44). With their tremendous power, a god may even find it baffling that they are also affected by the troubles of men. In The Iliad, the immortals can be viewed in two ways: 1) Immortals manipulate mortals on a whim. 2) The immortals are the embodiment of ideals. In the first view, the gods treat mortals as a sort of entertainment just to pass time in their immortal lives. With this mindset, the gods may be surprised when they too are affected by their actions. A manipulator is so used to changing the lives of others that they are often clueless on how to react to a direct change. In the second view, if the gods were just manifestations of human desires, then they would not react well with change, otherwise their identities would change as well. The gods are so accustomed to having power that they forget that they too are subject to the
The Odyssey details Odysseus’ arduous return to his homeland. Ten years have passed since the end of the Trojan war and Odysseus, the “most cursed man alive”, has been missing and presumed dead by many. (10.79). Throughout the novel, gods play a significant role in the fate of Odysseus and other characters. The extent of the gods’ role though is not unqualified, contrary to Telemachus’ suggestion that, “Zeus is to blame./He deals to each and every/ laborer on this earth whatever doom he pleases” (1.401-403). While Zeus does have this power, his description of how humans meet their fate is more accurately depicted throughout the novel. As he aptly points out, “from us alone, the say, come all their miseries, yes,/ but they themselves, with their own reckless ways,/ compound their pain beyond their proper share” (1.38-52). While the gods do doom certain mortals, many of these mortals exacerbate their ill fate by making rash decisions and ignoring the gods’ warnings. The gods are also not always disrupting mortals lives; they often aid mortals in need. In fact, mortals who effectively court the favor of the gods often benefit greatly. While the gods’ powers are unquestionable, no one god’s power is insurmountable. Gods can be outsmarted and their wrath escaped. The Odyssey, in congruence with Zeus’ statement, ultimately, portrays human freedom as existent, but limited.
Hector and Achilles both show extravagant heroic qualities in The Iliad and the movie Troy. The character I admire most is Achilles considering he definitely knows how to express his mind and he knows what he wants. Achilles’ qualities include confidence, determination, and intelligence. Achilles may kill a numerous number of people, but he does show kindness and respect, he expresses himself, and cares deeply for his loved ones.
An interesting and important aspect of this Greek notion of fate is the utter helplessness of the human players. No matter the choice made by the people involved in this tragedy, the gods have determined it and it is going to come to pass. T...
...that fate. Events that lead to other events will eventually lead one to their fate. “Oedipus the King” is a great play that sets an example of what fate is. Oedipus chooses to flee from home, in attempt to avoid the god’s statement of his fate from coming true. However, Oedipus’s decision for fleeing is what was necessary to make his fate come true. Undoubtedly, this is what was meant to happen because Oedipus allowed it to. Perhaps if Oedipus ignored the god and never did a thing then perhaps the outcome could have been different for Oedipus. However it did not turn out that way and the choices that Oedipus made is what led him to his doom.
When analyzing “Oedipus Rex”, the concept of Fate vs. Free-will is incredibly prevalent. Even though free-will could potentially have contributed to the outcomes of the situations presented in the story, Sophocles wrote “Oedipus Rex” as commentary to the Greeks' lack of regard for the fate bestowed upon them by the gods. This is exhibited throughout the play in many cases, most notably when Teiresias, the blind, noble prophet, and speaker of the truth is condescended upon simply because Oedipus is unhappy with the repulsive events to which he has been made aware of, Oedipus's constant need for justification as to why the oracles are false and correlational occurrences are mere coincidence, and Jocasta and Oedipus’ blatant ignorance of the oracles and the evidence of the prophecies being accomplished ultimately ruined them.
Othello written by Shakespeare and The Iliad written by Homer both consist of a big hero in their story/play. The heroes share many of the same attributes while also having great differences.
Fate has a place in the Greek world but its place is not the same as it is in other scenarios or worlds. It is important to understand the word before we discuss it. Fate as far as Greek mythology goes is not just fate. By most standards fate means that things occur for an unknown reason that no one has any control over. However, in the world of Greek Mythology fate does not just happen. The gods engineer fate and they interfere to make things happen that might not otherwise have happened. Since the players do not always know of the gods' involvement, things may actually appear to be fate but in reality be engineered happenings.
Sophocles' trilogy of Oedipus the King, Oedipus at Colonus, and Antigone is a powerful, tragic tale that examines the nature of human guilt, fate and punishment. Creon, Oedipus' uncle and brother-in-law, is the story's most dynamic character. His character experiences a drastic metamorphosis through the span of the three dramas. Creon's vision of a monarch's proper role, his concept of and respect for justice, as well as his respect for the design evolve considerably by the trilogy's tragic conclusion.
Throughout Homer’s epic poem, The Iliad, gods are presented as remarkably human in almost every way. While it is assumed that gods are divine entities incapable of human transgression, they are portrayed with all the flaws of mortals in The Iliad. The gods are a manifestation of human emotions consequently helping to explain the behavior of the humans in The Iliad. The actions of the heroes are what determine their fate, not divine intervention. Ultimately, the humans in The Iliad have inherent characteristics that provide the driving force behind their actions: the gods simply act in concert with them, allowing the human beings to exercise free will of
As we all know, Hollywood isn’t exactly accurate when it comes to the historical accuracy of movies. Although the Iliad is a myth, the movie Troy doesn’t follow the story quite as accurately as it could have. One major difference is the concept of time. In the Iliad, the battle spanned over a ten year period while in the movie, the battle only lasted about 17 days. However, it does have many similarities to the poem. Both the movie and the poem have similar plots as well as the feud of Achilles and Agamemnon, fall of Troy, the death of Patroclus, Achilles avenging the death of Patroclus and the supplication of Priam to Achilles. Other similarities include Thetis telling Achilles that if he is to stay home and refrain from fighting he will be forgotten. However, if he is to fight in the battle of Troy, he will be remembered forever. Another similarity can be found when Agamemnon confiscates Briseis from Achilles. There are many details in the movie that deviate from the epic poem as well. Some differences between the movie and the poem include the deaths of Agamemnon and Menelaus, the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus, the portrayal of some of the characters and the role of the Gods in the plot. Also, according to the film, the capture of Troy seems to be the subject of the entire movie whereas in the epic poem, the subject is the wrath of Achilles. Also, the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus is a little different. In the movie, Achilles and Patroclus are cousins and Patroclus is younger than Achilles. In the Iliad, Achilles and Patroclus are best friends. Patroclus is older than Achilles and acts as the advisor for Achilles. According to the epic poem, Achilles much more angry and violent than how he is portray...