The Relationships Between Men and Women in Tony Kytes, the Arch-Deceiver by Thomas Hardy and Tickets Please by D.H Lawrence

The Relationships Between Men and Women in Tony Kytes, the Arch-Deceiver by Thomas Hardy and Tickets Please by D.H Lawrence

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The Relationships Between Men and Women in Tony Kytes, the Arch-Deceiver by Thomas Hardy and Tickets Please by D.H Lawrence


Throughout time, through all social and cultural settings men and
women have had relationships, like the settings these relationships
have changed. I am going to be looking at the relationships between
men and women in 'Tony Kytes' and 'Tickets Please'. These two stories
are very different but there are some similarities. In both stories
there are women who suffer at the hands of womanizing men and in the
end these men have to make a choice about which girl they want. I will
compare the setting (time and place), the characters, as well as the
power and choices of the men and women in each story. I will consider
how the social and cultural attitudes of the time may have affected
these relationships.

There is a big contrast in the setting of 'Tony Kytes' and 'Tickets
Please'. 'Tony Kytes' is set in a pretty, rural, countryside village
whereas 'Tickets Please' is set on a tram. It is set in the
countryside but not like the rural countryside of 'Tony Kytes'. It is
portrayed as being ugly and hostile. The setting of 'Tony Kytes' is
not such a big part of the story unlike 'Tickets Please'. The setting
of this story is very important and Lawrence uses the first couple of
pages to set the scene. 'Tony Kytes' is set in the 19th century and
shows old-fashioned ideas. Hardy shows this by setting it in a small
rural village. The village has a very close community were everyone
knows each other. This is shown at the end at the wedding
where"Everybody in Longpuddle was there almost. The main part of the
story is centered around a journey back from market on a horse and
cart. This is a very rural activity. Another way Hardy shows they are
in the countryside is during Milly and Tony's conversation. They talk
and look at the "trees, beasts, birds, insects and at the ploughmen at
work". 'Tickets Please' is set during the 1st world war although it

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was written after it. This is very important to the story because it
is about the men and women who work on the tram. The women are doing
the men's jobs because the men have gone off to war.

The relationships between the men and women in each story are very
different. This could be because the social and cultural attitudes
towards marriage and relationships are different. In 'Tony Kytes' the
women's main aim was to get a husband, as they needed the security
marriage offered. Because of this even though Tony treats the women
with little respect he still gets Milly to marry him and the only
reason Hannah and Unity don't consent to marry him is because of anger
or "hurt pride". Although the women in 'Tony Kytes' don't have much
independence and they have to live within the boundaries of village
life they try to overcome this and manipulate Tony to marry them.
There are strict codes about how relationships should be conducted.
Tony's father reminds Tony about this telling him if he's going to
marry Milly he shouldn't be riding around alone with Hannah causing a
"scandal". The relationships aren't physical and when asked whether
Hannah still has her "virtue" Tony says that he hasn't slept with any
of them. But if he had slept with any of them and got them pregnant
they would have been expected to marry because people believed it was
a sin to have a child out of wedlock. The parents in 'Tony Kytes' have
the power to influence their children and are very protective of them.
There is a big difference in the way the children react to their
fathers' advice. Tony chooses not to marry Milly because his father
says he should whereas Hannah turns down Tony because her father is
their and advises her not to unless she's pregnant. However in
'Tickets Please' the parents don't feature at all. The relationships
in 'Tickets Please' are very different from those in 'Tony Kytes'. The
men and women in 'Tickets Please' have very casual, physical
relationships. They are looking to have fun not marriage. The women
don't need to get a husband as they are independent and are earning
their own money. However they would like the stability marriage
offered. Annie wanted John Thomas to become more than a "nocturnal
presence" but he didn't want to commit to her. There don't seem to be
many rules or boundaries in the way the relationships are conducted.

The women in 'Tony Kytes' don't have much power within society but
they seem to have power and control over Tony. They try and manipulate
him to do what they want him to. Unity manipulates him by the way she
speaks to him and with her actions. She forces him to give her a ride
home and is very flirty in the way she does this. She says to him "My
dear Tony won't you give me a lift home". As soon as she is on the
cart she directs the conversation with her questions. The questions
she asks are very forward. She talks in a "tender chide". Hannah also
manipulates Tony. She forces him to give her a ride and then she uses
her beauty to charm him. She is very flirty with him and is very
forward with what she says. Although Tony doesn't seem to have much
control over the women he still manages to get on to marry him because
they needed to get a husband. In 'Tickets Please' the women have a lot
more power than the women in 'Tony Kytes'. They are out doing the
mens' jobs because the men are at war. The women on the tram have a
lot of control over the men on the tram. They are described as
"fearless young hussies". They will kick men of the tram at their stop
and will "pounce" on the men who try to avoid buying tickets. Annie
has a lot of power over the men on her tram. Annie has the power and
control to get revenge on John Thomas at the end of the story. The
women are taking control of their actions and lives.

The style and language of each story reflects the meaning and tones of
the story. 'Tony Kytes' is an anecdote and uses local dialect. It has
a slow, easy, fun style. The story is lighted and not very serious.
'Tickets Please' has a very different style. It has a very dramatic
opening and a lot happens in the first eight pages. It has a fast
paced style. The story is very exciting but has a very serious ending.
The style changes at the end of the story, to reflect the action in
the story.

Both stories have one man and several women. The characters are very
important to the story. The title of the story describes Tony as an
arch deceiver however as the story develops it becomes clear he is not
and in the end Hannah calls him a "false deceiver". He is popular with
the women even though he does not have very good looks. He is very
flirty with them. He is easily won over by a pretty face this makes it
easy for the women to manipulate him. He can't seem to say no. He is
impulsive and doesn't think about the consequences of what he is
doing. He looks at women as potential wives. John Thomas is very
different to Tony. He doesn't want a commitment and as soon as Annie
starts to show a bit more interest in him he dumps her. He is more
cleaver than Tony and more calculating in his actions. He can be very
persuasive. He is very cheeky and attractive. He acts in a wild and
irresponsible way. He is a flirt "He flirts with the girl conductors
and walks out with them in the night". He shows little respect for
women and is insensitive to them. Annie is a very strong willed
individual. She has power on the tram and she has the power to get her
revenge. She is suspicious of John at first but then he wins her over.
She is independent and is quite happy as a single girl although she
wouldn't mind commitment. She is financially independent and doesn't
need to get married. There is no pressure on her to get married. Annie
is very different from the women in 'Tony Kytes'. The women in 'Tony
Kytes' are very feminine and ladylike. They want to get a husband.
They appear very confident and strong willed but they are still
willing to put up with unacceptable behavior from a man. This is
because securing a husband meant securing a future. Milly is a good
example of this. She was engaged to Tony when he decided to marry not
one but two other girls in preference to her but yet she still
consented to marry him. There was a lot of pressure on the girls to
marry which shows in the way the act and think for example even though
Unity and Hannah turned Tony down if he'd asked them under different
circumstances they would have said yes.

The outcomes of 'Tony Kytes' and 'Tickets Please' are very different.
In 'Tony Kytes' it ends happily ever after. Milly gets what she wants
which is to marry Tony and Tony gets a wife although perhaps he would
preferred a different girl. Hannah and Unity have the choice to get
want they want but because of Hannah's "hurt pride" and Unity's temper
they turn Tony's offers of marriage. The choice that Tony has to make
comes about in a very different way from the choice John Thomas has to
make. Tony had made the decision to marry Milly but then by chance he
meets Unity and then Hannah. He doesn't seem to think about the girls'
feelings and how they would react to his decision. He judges them by
looks and how good they would be to him. He decides that he likes
Unity best on her claim that she " should have made 'ee a finer wife,
and a more loving one too." He then decides he should marry Hannah, as
she is the most beautiful. The only reason Tony ends up marrying Milly
is because the others refused him. Nobody in 'Tickets Please' gets
what the want at the end of the story. The girls wanted to get revenge
on John Thomas because of the way he treated them. They were given the
power to humiliate him but instead of them feeling happy afterwards
they were left feeling sad and guilty for their rash actions. Even
though John Thomas chooses Annie she rejects him because of the way he
treated her before and because of what she and the other girls did to
him. John Thomas is made to choose a girl in the end. The girls force
the decision on him in a very violent way, which shocks both the girls
and him. The way the girls react to the decision made by John Thomas
is very different from the way the girls behave towards Tony and his
decision. This could be a reflection of the position of women in each
story. If the women in 'Tony Kytes' had behaved like the women in
'Tickets Please' they would probably have never married. The women in
'Tickets Please' however can behave like they do as they are becoming
independent and are trying to show the world they are equal to men and
no longer need them too survive.
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