Q&A: The Three Principles of Epicurus and Lucretius

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Overview 2-5, about LS§4 ‘The principles of conservation’

1. What are the three principles that Epicurus and Lucretius are arguing for in these passages?

(i) Things do not come to be out of what is not, out of nothing.

(ii) Things do not pass into nothing; things are not literally annihilated.

(iii) The totality of things was and will forever be as it is now; this totality does not change, and there is nothing external to that things might be introduced to change it.

It is evident that things do not come to exist out of just anything; each comes into being out of particular things—fruit from the tree, tree from the seed, seed from the fruit; bird from the egg, egg from the bird. It cannot be, therefore, that things come to exist out of nothing, out of what is not, for were that so, things could come to be out of anything. I am not convinced: yes, it is evident that some kinds of things have again and again come into being out of particular things; so, we might well argue that these things do not come into being out of nothing. But is it evident that all things are alike in this? Perhaps some things do come into existence out of nothing: the possibility still pesters physicists today. It is supposed necessary by the Epicureans that particular conditions of generation correspond with particular kinds of things, and that all things of every kind are alike in this—not a ridiculous supposition, but surely not evident. This, I should want to add, is not an ‘implicit appeal to the principle of sufficient reason’, for that would entail questions about what function corresponds to the conditions of generation—what function has the egg if not the generation of a bird? We might answer that eggs are a function of animal nutrition ...

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... permanent attributes of bodies.

‘A fixed attribute is that which can at no point be separated and removed without fatal destruction resulting—as weight is to stones, heat to fire, liquidity to water, tangibility to all bodies, and intangibility to void’.

‘By contrast slavery, poverty, wealth, freedom, war, peace, and all other things whose arrival and departure a thing’s nature survives intact, these it is our practice to call, quite properly, accidents’.

These are Lucretius’ brief definitions of permanent attributes and accidents. Epicurus of course says similar, but he adds some points of interest. First, we ought not to describe permanent attributes as per se existents, as non-existents, nor as ‘incorporeal things accruing to the body’. He includes among the permanent attributes ‘the shapes, colours, sizes, weights and other things...’

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